Pig barns near Devils lake

[riverview]

::wowzers::, 5 days talking about pig shit, you guys need more to do!;:;rofl Just sayin. ;:;popcorn

Obviously you haven't spent the last 6 years building a house 3 miles east of the proposed site. I have and would like a lot more information than there might be a public comment period if the health dept. deems it necessary .

 

[Putz ND]

Benefits a few investors, potentially ruins a large number of residences... you'd be hard pressed to find a worse location. Now, I'm all for land owners rights, but there is NO way this is a benefit for any neighbor or for the greater devils lake area. Very few jobs, little tax basis change, and only a small handful that will benefit. Risks far outweigh the pros to any open-minded individual. Good grief, with the wealth that these people already have, put this in a decent area. If there's so much $$ to be made in raising these things, their budget will allow for proper placement of the facility. If they can't afford to move it to a decent spot, maybe they should stick to farming insurance... this project is BAD for the entire Devils Lake Basin. Almost as dumb as trucking oil in to refine and then trucking it out, one has to wonder if the local think-tank Forward Devils Lake is involved, because this is absolutely idiotic...

 

[SDMF]

I have worked in Iowa a little.

 

[gst]

Benefits a few investors, potentially ruins a large number of residences... you'd be hard pressed to find a worse location. Now, I'm all for land owners rights, but there is NO way this is a benefit for any neighbor or for the greater devils lake area. Very few jobs, little tax basis change, and only a small handful that will benefit. Risks far outweigh the pros to any open-minded individual. Good grief, with the wealth that these people already have, put this in a decent area. If there's so much $$ to be made in raising these things, their budget will allow for proper placement of the facility. If they can't afford to move it to a decent spot, maybe they should stick to farming insurance... this project is BAD for the entire Devils Lake Basin. Almost as dumb as trucking oil in to refine and then trucking it out, one has to wonder if the local think-tank Forward Devils Lake is involved, because this is absolutely idiotic...

;:;banghead

 

[SDMF]

 

[riverview]

front page of the grand forks herald today.

 

[lunkerslayer]

So what is the verdict is it a go or no go ?

 

[Davy Crockett]

The last I heard there was a lot of stink being raised about it .

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If I remember right they had "broken ground" on the project or not ? Seems like I saw a pic of the dirt work being done.

 

[riverview]

I think the dirt work started thing was to make people think it was a done deal. I drove by the site and didn't look like much was done.

 

[guywhofishes]

http://www.inforum.com/opinion/columns/4380586-ferguson-north-dakotas-water-quality-danger

 

[lunkerslayer]

www.agweb.com/mobile/article/iowa-l...new-rules-for-water-quality-associated-press/
Iowa, the nation's leading corn, pork and egg producer, struggles with managing the waste generated by 60 million chickens, 20 million pigs, 9 million turkeys and 4 million cows.
That is a lot of shit no wonder they are having problems in iowa with pollution
Could you imagine the waste we would have for human population if we didn't have water treatment plants if human wasted was allowed to drain into nearby streams if the holding ponds were not designed to handle that much waste at a time.
What is the solution to clean water and controlling run off of these pig hold tanks.

 

[1bigfokker]

$$$$$$$

 

[Davy Crockett]

www.agweb.com/mobile/article/iowa-livestock-farmers-have-new-rules-for-water-quality-associated-press/
Iowa, the nation's leading corn, pork and egg producer, struggles with managing the waste generated by 60 million chickens, 20 million pigs, 9 million turkeys and 4 million cows.
That is a lot of shit no wonder they are having problems in iowa with pollution
Could you imagine the waste we would have for human population if we didn't have water treatment plants if human wasted was allowed to drain into nearby streams if the holding ponds were not designed to handle that much waste at a time.
What is the solution to clean water and controlling run off of these pig hold tanks.

A Co-op with many smaller operations spread out like Canada has.

http://www.agriguide.ca/organization/manitoba-pork-marketing-co-op

 

[lunkerslayer]

The real issue here is too many animal production sites in such a small area, also how many of these facilities had waste leaking and nobody does anything about it. That's the problem out of site out of mind makes it hard to keep these businesses honest.
We have laws to protect the interest of our neighbors.

 

[PrairieGhost]

As I continue to oppose the Grand Prairie Agriculture LLP/ Pipestone Systems proposed industrial hog operation near Devils Lake, N.D., I read in the North Dakota Farm Bureau Focus "Do you support North Dakota's most reliable economy?" In this newsletter, NDFB states, "We now have a good understanding of the appropriate structures and locations needed to produce livestock, while looking out for the best interests of every stakeholder." Are you kidding me? "Appropriate locations?" The proposed facility and manure dump sites are on land that drains directly into Devils Lake and the Spiritwood Aquifer runs beneath it. How is that an appropriate location?

And what about the "appropriate structures?" These buildings sit on top of a pit that will hold a year's worth of hog waste. It has been documented time and time again that these pits are known to leak. Where do you think all of the leaked waste will go?

From the money worshipers. As I understand our constitution freedom only extends until it hurts someone else. For me that even includes wetland drainage. Every drained wetland should have a flow meter on it so when flooding occurs the culprits can pay their share of the damages rather than expecting the taxpayer to pay for their damages.

 

[Migrator Man]

Since when do people in the Devils Lake Region care about their neighboring landowners? Last time I looked neighbors ended up flooding Tons of land downstream to the point of where their entire farms are under water. I agree the wet cycle had contributed greatly to this, but I don't think installing extensive draintile and ditches all around the basin helped one bit. If these landowners would have stored their fair share of the water naturally with out draining all the wetlands we would not see such a big flooding problem.

I see this pig farm issue as the same way. If you didn't care about neighbors then than you shouldn't care about them now.

 

[gst]

http://www.inforum.com/opinion/columns/4380586-ferguson-north-dakotas-water-quality-danger

Ms Ferguson has been made aware of the facts behind the permitting process and yet continues to be a bit disingenuous with her claims (opinions)

I have personally had conversations with her on social media sites she targets and shared factual information and the links it came from and she continually refused to answer questions based on those facts.

She is counting on people not bothering to inform themselves and buying into the story line.

She now has embraces the animal rights rhetoric in her rants. From the above link.........."Don't be fooled by the ND Farm Bureau, if you're a member, your membership dues are going directly to support corporate and factory farming in North Dakota."

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]From the money worshipers.[/COLOR] As I understand our constitution freedom only extends until it hurts someone else. For me that even includes wetland drainage. Every drained wetland should have a flow meter on it so when flooding occurs the culprits can pay their share of the damages rather than expecting the taxpayer to pay for their damages.

Kind of like the fools rhetoric used here. I would venture a guess that many of these "money worshipers" aka Farm Bureau members sit beside plainsman in the church he is an elder in.

So what is the greater sin, worshiping money or telling lies on the internet? "let he who is without sin cast the first stone"


Here is my question, We have significant laws and regulatory requirements regarding the siting of these facilities. So if a company FOLLOWS ALL the set regulations and obeys the law, should they be permitted?

 

[Kurtr]

i love baby backs. even if it was -30 this weekend

 

[lunkerslayer]

The greater ramsey county water district paid to have these wetlands drained all the coulees that drain into devils lake have been dug out to allow for the water to end up in devils lake. Yes farmers made a big mess of the basin but the mcluski sheyanne diversion was supposed to allow for devils lake to have a natural outlet where the diversion waters would have been used for all sorts of irrigation though out the basin as well as parts of the red river valley basin. It didn't happen that way unfortunately and still the coulees get cleaned out when they need to as well as larger culvert to handle the runoff.
It was one big pipe dream that turned into one big mess for some

Do you know where devils lake gets it's water from I can tell you it's not in the basin it is pumped out of the sheyanne aquifer by warwick.
Let the hog farm come let the county use it's authority to hold people accountable it's when people who have the authority but don't enforce it thats the problem.

 

[PrairieGhost]

Lunker I think the Garrison Diversion that was part of this plan was stopped because it violated a water treaty with Canada. Canada worried about the bio transfer from the Gulf of Mexico watershed getting into their water. That would be equivalent to small pox when it hit the native Americans. We don't know for sure what would happen, but they were not as willing as us to take a chance.