Pig barns near Devils lake

[lunkerslayer]

Does anyone know why they usually build in or near waterways.

Same as why humans build city and town next to rivers which most lagoons are built next to a river unless you have a waste treatment plant like grand forks or Detroit Lakes two that I know about. Becuase the bacteria kills organic matter which settles to the bottom while non potable water is drained off into a river at a controlled rate or is treated with chemicals then hauled to an offsite facility where it can be dumped. High salt content is much harder to get out of drinking water verses other forms of contamination like shit or oil to name a couple

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Ps have you ever smelled something so bad that it just pisses you off well I do and it's every year at this time

 

[deleted member]

I assumed they were spreading it on the field

 

[gst]

The one north of Carrington makes you hold your nose. It would be unfair of the highway patrol to run radar there when people are trying to escape.

It's kind of suspicious that these operations set up in water run off areas. I hear about all the precautions and would guess they are trying to do what they say, but what's the failure rate? Close to 100% over a 20 year period? This all sounds good, but can we count on them building their containment at least 10 above any recorded flood stages? One to three feet above low water isn't acceptable. Sure they want to use gravity, but do they need to get into the flood zone?

A new claim by the CNN of NDA......

Source?

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Now your in my field of expertise.

You can dissolve the pig crap it's still high nitrogen. You can put it in the ground and contaminate that for the next few hundred years.

you're tallying up a few in this thread plains.....

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Lunker

The above posted pics are of functional on going hog barns that have been operating since 2006 with out issues.

just an FYI

Plains 10 years of historically high water..........

Plins, please share your source for your claim.

#$%^&>
Credibility

 

[tikkalover]

::wowzers::, 5 days talking about pig shit, you guys need more to do!;:;rofl Just sayin. ;:;popcorn

 

[Stan's Dad]

The one north of Carrington makes you hold your nose. It would be unfair of the highway patrol to run radar there when people are trying to escape.

It's kind of suspicious that these operations set up in water run off areas. I hear about all the precautions and would guess they are trying to do what they say, but what's the failure rate? Close to 100% over a 20 year period? This all sounds good, but can we count on them building their containment at least 10 above any recorded flood stages? One to three feet above low water isn't acceptable. Sure they want to use gravity, but do they need to get into the flood zone?

I bet you don't get a whole lot of permission to hunt private property. Give it a rest

 

[lunkerslayer]

I bet you don't get a whole lot of permission to hunt private property. Give it a rest

Lol that is hilarious stans dad you sure are a funny guy a real knee slapper of a joker I tell ya.
Ps can you tell svnmag and meelosh it's ok come out of the closet already. L
Lol knee slapper of a joker stans dad is ;:;boozer

 

[gst]

::wowzers::, 5 days talking about pig shit, you guys need more to do!;:;rofl Just sayin. ;:;popcorn

Any ways like I was sayin... pig shit is the fertilizer of the kings, you can spread it, you can inject it, you can spray it, you can store it for later you can......

 

[Davy Crockett]

I'm not a big fan of large corporate farms so my opinion was formed outside of the waste issues. I have a friend just across the line in Canada where CO-OPs are still popular, Same concept , Just more middle men and less millionaires. many farmers/producers raise as many pigs as they are comfortable with and they are under contract and shipped to slaughter and flown overseas within 24 hours. There must be money in doing it that way or they wouldn't be doing it. Spread the pig s### and spread the wealth.

 

[gonefshn]

I understand the need for such operations and also the right of landowners to conduct business on their property. After all I do love pork chops and ribs. But I don't believe anyone has the right to ruin their neighbors life. By that I mean stink them out. I know zoning laws and when it comes to hog farms our law is totally stupid. All set asides are based just on distances in general. This is wrong. I say that because it doesn't take into account our predominant wind directions. The state has information that shows for most all areas the weighted wind directions and this really needs to be a part of these evaluations. The reason I say that is because there's a big difference for someone living downwind if the weighted time you'll be downwind is only a few days vs 70+ days. To allow one to be closer where you'll only experience it for a few days is way different that subjecting your neighbor to smelling this for basically months. Im not sure of the setaside distances or how close this will be to others who may be downwind on the high end of the weighted days. But I sure hope the owners of this are responsible enough to take that into account. If you are then thank you for being a responsible neighbor. If not, then I hope your life and business are as wonderful as the lives of the neighbors lives you're ruining.

 

[PrairieGhost]

I have worked in Iowa a little. It's hard not to smell stink in some areas of the state.

There are areas very close to where they propose to build where they could close a few drains and set up more safely in a closed basin. It's as if they know problems will occur and if it does it will flow away downstream.

 

[gst]

I have worked in Iowa a little. It's hard not to smell stink in some areas of the state.

There are areas very close to where they propose to build where they could close a few drains and set up more safely in a closed basin. It's as if they know problems will occur and if it does it will flow away downstream.

Plains have you even bothered ot read the information I have shared in the links to the laws and guidelines covering CAFOS?

Or have you chosen to "ignore" that opportunity to actually learn some facts?

 

[Fly Carpin]

gst still responding to PG even though PG can't see any of his posts due to the ignore button...

 

[Stan's Dad]

I just died laughing. I'm ded now

 

[gst]

Fly, it is a little game old plains has played in the past. Claims to be "ignoring" then eventually when he can;t take it any more responds showing he wasn't really "ignoring" anything.

Earlier in the summer though may have yelled at a cloud to drop a little rain...........

 

[ardee]

All of this banter between people who will not be affected which ever way this goes is all go e and good. However I for one have a residence three miles downwind from the proposed location along with about 40 other residences. There is also a very popular launch and campground between my place and the barn location. Then add the grahams island state park just to the south and west bay heights resort just south west. I believe the number of people that will be directly affected by this project is quite a bit higher than most have anticipated. Oh and when the wind switches to the south east so the pig smell would go away we hav the city lagoon just three miles away in that direction
All I can say is thanks a lot for your support.

 

[gst]

ardee, it would be interesting to see what the proposed manure management system is. Toured a closed system a while back that injected liquid manure 2 inches into the ground and there was almost no odor issues.

https://mmp360.com/blog/controlling-swine-odor

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old sandy must not like hogs......another signed bad rep.

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I am curious what an acceptable set back distance is. 3 miles would make it just about impossible to site any CAFO in our state.

 

[ardee]

While it would be hard to find a 3 mile radius with no impact at all I believe it would be quite easy to find one that wouldn't impact the amount of people that this site would when you take into account all of the residence and tourists that this one would impact. Also, again it is much easier to accept when there is no impact either real or perceived for yourself. I spent many years as a custom applicator and worried much more about people's perceived opinions than the actual risks of damage. I could control my actual risks by how and when I applied but avoided some areas completely to keep the peace with the surrounding residence.

 

[Davy Crockett]

I've driven past the hog operation on HWY 2 East of Devils lake many times and the smell is usually not that noticeable (wind is a factor) but there are certain times when it is so rank that my wife almost gags, I grew up raising pigs and we never had anything close to that strong of a smell. Now I'm curious, why so stinky one time and not that bad the next. I wonder if the smell only gets that strong when they are pumping out the basement ?

 

[gst]

While it would be hard to find a 3 mile radius with no impact at all I believe it would be quite easy to find one that wouldn't impact the amount of people that this site would when you take into account all of the residence and tourists that this one would impact. Also, again it is much easier to accept when there is no impact either real or perceived for yourself. I spent many years as a custom applicator and worried much more about people's perceived opinions than the actual risks of damage. I could control my actual risks by how and when I applied but avoided some areas completely to keep the peace with the surrounding residence.

indeed public perception is one of the biggest challenges agriculture faces any more and you seem to have the back ground to appreciate that as a commercial applicator.

I do not know the containment and management systems this particular hog opperation will build and use, but there aremodern technologies that virtually eliminate teh historic odor that these CAFOs produce.

None permeablecovers for manure pits is a technology that greatly reduces odor.

That public perception you aptly mention has driven a great deal of research and development.

this is something that intrigues me......have read a bit about cattle feedlots using something similar.

http://www.nationalhogfarmer.com/mag/farming_hog_farm_converts

"[h=3]The Real Bonus — Less Odor[/h]Perhaps the best byproduct of all is odor reduction. Since the Biogem system burns off the methane to produce electricity, and has a proprietary system to eliminate sulfides, the system eliminates the odors usually associated with hog manure.



“You are burning the smell,” Hofer says. “If you smell anything, you have a leak in the system and you are losing energy.”
“Odor control is a big selling point,” Miekle says. “All producers want to be good community citizens. If they can find a solution to the odor problem that takes care of some of the environmental and community complaints and pays for itself in the long run, we feel it is a win-win situation. Many producers agree.”
Biogem Power Systems has the North American distribution rights to the Romain Welter & Sons system from Luxembourg. Currently, there are 130 biogas electrical generation systems operating in Europe. The colony is currently adding a second system at their 1,200-sow barn 15 miles away from the main site."

 

[deleted member]

bad spot. in the summer time, the number of people downwind of that proposed location rivals a small town. i surmise it would be like putting one up just northwest of the town of lakota. this is a big state with lots of room. plenty of places to put it where you probably can't see another home or farm. yet alone 500 campers and lake goers. find one. that's my $0.02.