Pig barns near Devils lake

[gst]

looking through different articles and such it appears they put it in at various depths. here is one such article. It doesn't tell you the actual depths but if you look at the implements and the trenches you can see some are rather deep. 8-10" at least. But they do discuss the fear of manure in the tiles. http://www.farmwest.com/book/export/html/957

And here is the example of two ways to veiw and present things,.

"fear" or education to prevent.

I would like to meet one farmer that will knowingly apply fertilizer with the cost involved to have it be unusable by the plants in the field.

More and more producers are investing hundreds of thousands of dollars in variable rate equipment that uses GPS and soil tests to automatically vary the rates seeding and applying fert. on the go because it pays on enough acres.

 

[PrairieGhost]

When applied at agronomic rates manure (regardless of type) is an excellent fertilizer. A plants job is to take inorganic stuff (nitrates, phosphates, etc...) and turn it organic. i.e. food. Their manure will probably be injected 6-8 inches (think of a chisel plow). The manure is predominately some sort of organic compound. Because of that it doesn't move well with the soil. Conventional fertilizer moves way more easily in the soil.

If the animal feeding operation is constructed, it will have to follow strict engineering guidelines to prevent water contamination. The manure holding pit will either have a thick plastic liner or be made of a well tested earthen out (usually a specific amount of clay). With proper management, there will be little chance of this causing an environmental issue. I'm sure the NDDoH will visit regularity to make sure the nutrient management plan is followed properly and to check that dikes or levees are in good working condition

Thanks for the info. I have a pond with Koi in my back yard and need to get rid of excess nitrogen from the fish crap. I pump 1000 gallons an hour through a UV light to kill the algae and bacteria. To the right of this picture is a 5X7 foot area filled with three tons of pea rock. I pump into pipes along the bottom and have the area full of native plants. There is no soil so the plants must take their nutrients from the water. Most of the area has filled in with swamp milk-weed and I have raised 200 to 300 Monarch butterflies also. Don't know whats going on, but I have seen fewer and fewer Monarchs and none yet this year. Anyway, I'll try post a pic from my phone.

 

[Brian Renville]

Be careful what you wish for, My guess is about 6 Mexicans @ $ 9 per hour.

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Thats ok. They can help offset 6 methhead locals on welfare. Any little bit helps.

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Nice setup Ghost.

 

[gst]

Thanks for the info. .

Now I just feel left out...........

 

[Northern Piker]

Lunker

The above posted pics are of functional on going hog barns that have been operating since 2006 with out issues.

just an FYI

As far as I know these were hog barns

 

[lunkerslayer]

Do you have issues with the neighbors becuase of the smell? If so how do you control it? Also is this new hog operation have any ties with your operation.

 

[gst]

Could be, but with the pumping into the Sheyenne river it involves international consideration.

Please explain this claim.

 

[Northern Piker]

Prairie Ghost: The interesting thing is research needs to be done before and after. Some of the sloughs/lakes that large numbers of geese/ducks congregate on have high levels of nitrogen. from what - their poop. I dont know all the history or facts of your stated case but when hog manure is applied at agronomic rates I dont see issues. I have seen more issues with human waste lagoons that have "controlled" releases of treated and sometimes untreated sewage. I also see more environmental issues with human sewage or human created than any well run agricultural operation of any kind. Is the area proposed zoned agriculture?

 

[PrairieGhost]

I don't know the zoning Northern Pike. You appear to have first hand experience. It would be enjoyable talking with you for an hour.
Everything eventually works it's way into the ground water, but at different rates and concentrations. Some have said that pig waste less so than commercial fertilizers. Whats your opinion? If this is true then the only challenge is being a good neighbor. I understand local farmers don't support it. I wonder if it's because of smell, corporate farming, or because they don't want land purchase competition?

 

[gst]

plains what did you mean with the pumping into the Sheyenne river comment?

 

[Stan's Dad]

plains what did you mean with the pumping into the Sheyenne river comment?

Devils lake is pumped into the Sheyenne. Quit making everything a fight ya darsh

 

[guywhofishes]

darsh = harsh douche?

 

[PrairieGhost]

Some of the sloughs/lakes that large numbers of geese/ducks congregate on have high levels of nitrogen. from what - their poop.

I have read and know relatives who's grandparents were on the firsts railroad crew into North Dakota. They said the wetlands were their only source of water and were half buffalo whiz. Recipe for coffee was the same as for cooking kidneys - boil the piss out of it.

 

[gst]

Devils lake is pumped into the Sheyenne. Quit making everything a fight ya darsh

The point here that perhaps was a bit above your head is that wetlands were claimed to be someones field of expertise.

Originally Posted by PrairieGhost
Could be, but with the pumping into the Sheyenne river it involves international consideration.

So my question ...........for one hog barn to pollute Devils Lake to the point it is measurable when pumped into the Sheyenne River (despite all the state requirements to prevent this from happening) to again make a measurable response when it crosses into Canada......(international) ......just how big a place is this?

Could someone please share the "expertise" based information ot explain how that happens?

Perhaps the "consideration" here should be the "fight" was attempted with the pumping comment.........

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I would encourage people find out the actual facts behind the permitting process management protacols and the exact regulatory language and requirements for construction of a new hog confinement facility before posting.

Some times the same people posting picture of fatties wrapped in bacon and more bacon will be the first ones to claim "not in my backyard" without bothering ot find out a few facts first.

My first post in the thread.

Indeed encouraging people to take the time to learn some facts before posting claims and accusations is such a good way to pick a fight I guess......

 

[Stan's Dad]

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[gst]

Now your in my field of expertise. This fellow did his PhD rehabilitating a wetland in Minnesota: https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Mark_Hanson3

A hunt club out of Minneapolis purchased a good size lake that was well known for canvasback. For 60 years this wetland was hunted by club members. Then a hog farm set up operation following all the guidelines in Minnesota which is three times as stringent as ours. The first thing to disappear were the fish. The second thing to disappear was all of the ducks. The bottom had suspended flocculent a couple of feet deep. Early in the year it turned green like an emerald through the entire water column.
Risk? It's not a risk it's a sure thing in an area with ground water integrated to the lake. All wetlands within the lower elevation ground water continuum will be affected with high nitrogen. People want sources I can give you sources and personal field experience, plus opinions I have been given by nationally known wetland ecologists and hydrologists. Pelican lake will be green in late June within a few years.

You can dissolve the pig crap it's still high nitrogen. You can put it in the ground and contaminate that for the next few hundred years.

Plainsmans first post.........kinda Conner MacGregorish.........


Say I wonder if that big city "hunt club" has that lake open to the public or if they are making "georges" off hunting by closing access.......??

Now that might be "picking a fight".......


a darsh.

 

[PrairieGhost]

Does anyone know why they usually build in or near waterways.

 

[gst]

Does anyone know how many ppm would be in the Sheyenne river as it crosses the border from this operation?

 

[lunkerslayer]

Those in devils lake right now at 8:46 can you smell that cow feed lot north of town. How many think that shit hasn't leaked into the ground water. Of course it has anyone says different is full of shit. Build that hog operations build it right build it now. Can't even open my windows it stinks so bad:bigpuke:

 

[PrairieGhost]

Those in devils lake right now at 8:46 can you smell that cow feed lot north of town. How many think that shit hasn't leaked into the ground water. Of course it has anyone says different is full of shit. Build that hog operations build it right build it now. Can't even open my windows it stinks so bad:bigpuke:

The one north of Carrington makes you hold your nose. It would be unfair of the highway patrol to run radar there when people are trying to escape.

It's kind of suspicious that these operations set up in water run off areas. I hear about all the precautions and would guess they are trying to do what they say, but what's the failure rate? Close to 100% over a 20 year period? This all sounds good, but can we count on them building their containment at least 10 above any recorded flood stages? One to three feet above low water isn't acceptable. Sure they want to use gravity, but do they need to get into the flood zone?