Property Tax Petition

[Sluggo]

if property taxes go away entirely, and that burden gets shifted to sales tax, or whatever new tax they come up with, I suspect lots of folks will end up paying even more in tax than they do now.
The problem I see is they just jack up the assessed value on your home up whenever they want which drives up your property tax.
Why not eliminate the assessed value and just tax you on the purchase price of your home or property, say at .75% of the purchase price as an example of the tax you would owe, or less if that's to much, and it remains at that rate or tax owed until you sell. The new owner would then be taxed on the purchase price the same way.
Make it retroactive back 30 years to give the old folks on a fixed income some well deserved relief. Your property tax would never change as long as you own it.
I'm not in favor of a shell game tax system where you just move the tax around, that's an easy way for politicians to screw it up as that is their nature and make a bad system worse.
Just my take, I'm sure I am wrong, its just to easy to eliminate it and think the problem is solved.

They would just increase the “set” rate every year.
The taking of our money needs to be more difficult and less automatic, then maybe they will cut spending which is the real problem.

 

[Fester]

if property taxes go away entirely, and that burden gets shifted to sales tax, or whatever new tax they come up with, I suspect lots of folks will end up paying even more in tax than they do now.
The problem I see is they just jack up the assessed value on your home up whenever they want which drives up your property tax.
Why not eliminate the assessed value and just tax you on the purchase price of your home or property, say at .75% of the purchase price as an example of the tax you would owe, or less if that's to much, and it remains at that rate or tax owed until you sell. The new owner would then be taxed on the purchase price the same way.
Make it retroactive back 30 years to give the old folks on a fixed income some well deserved relief. Your property tax would never change as long as you own it.
I'm not in favor of a shell game tax system where you just move the tax around, that's an easy way for politicians to screw it up as that is their nature and make a bad system worse.
Just my take, I'm sure I am wrong, its just to easy to eliminate it and think the problem is solved.

What if they could do this or that? They have had more then enough time to address the issue. The only current resolution is what we have. There is nothing in the legislation to fix the problem...except what Becker has going.

 

[BrokenBackJack]

if property taxes go away entirely, and that burden gets shifted to sales tax, or whatever new tax they come up with, I suspect lots of folks will end up paying even more in tax than they do now.
The problem I see is they just jack up the assessed value on your home up whenever they want which drives up your property tax.
Why not eliminate the assessed value and just tax you on the purchase price of your home or property, say at .75% of the purchase price as an example of the tax you would owe, or less if that's to much, and it remains at that rate or tax owed until you sell. The new owner would then be taxed on the purchase price the same way.
Make it retroactive back 30 years to give the old folks on a fixed income some well deserved relief. Your property tax would never change as long as you own it.
I'm not in favor of a shell game tax system where you just move the tax around, that's an easy way for politicians to screw it up as that is their nature and make a bad system worse.
Just my take, I'm sure I am wrong, its just to easy to eliminate it and think the problem is solved.

One of our neighbors here in Payson, moved here from California. He said the city he lived in was taxed like this and I am wondering if the whole State wouldn't be the same. Anyway he said they were taxed on what they paid for the house until they sold it. Then the new owners were taxed at what they paid for the house. Now if you are going to have property taxes, that is the way it should be set up.

 

[Fester]

One of our neighbors here in Payson, moved here from California. He said the city he lived in was taxed like this and I am wondering if the whole State wouldn't be the same. Anyway he said they were taxed on what they paid for the house until they sold it. Then the new owners were taxed at what they paid for the house. Now if you are going to have property taxes, that is the way it should be set up.

Yup..should have been done years ago...won't happen in our state. Only option is what we currently have.

 

[johnr]

Yes they can magically come up with 50-100 million for these “Investments” for the greater good yet making school lunches free to all students at around 6million a year was “too much” fkn retarded. I’m not one for social programs but making school lunch free across the board would be the biggest middle class relief the state could pass. The poor already get it free and the rich could care less about it. That bill would have helped the most middle class people. The people of nd don’t want a fkn library or new sports complex or a 200 million dollar school. We want to keep some of our money on our pockets and stop feeding these pet projects.

I am totally against feeding others kids with tax money collected. Having kids is a choice, just like owning a home is a choice.
Agree that no library, or sports complex should be at the tax payers burden either.

When covid shut shit down, out west here they still had free school lunch going on, where people drove to the schools and were handed however many lunches they asked for...a lot of Cadillac's, and Lincolns in that line getting their "free food". No pride in this generation, and it breeds on and on.

 

[Trip McNeely]

I am totally against feeding others kids with tax money collected. Having kids is a choice, just like owning a home is a choice.
Agree that no library, or sports complex should be at the tax payers burden either.

When covid shut shit down, out west here they still had free school lunch going on, where people drove to the schools and were handed however many lunches they asked for...a lot of Cadillac's, and Lincolns in that line getting their "free food". No pride in this generation, and it breeds on and on.

I would normally agree here but you already feed a good portion of low income families with your tax dollars. How many low income or poverty level families in ND already receive free or reduced meals? Your tax dollars are already being used for this whether you like it or not so wouldn’t it give you the warm fuzzies knowing your tax dollars are actually helping middle class families instead of immigrants and the bums of society on welfare. I respect your opinion but wouldn’t having our tax dollars actually go back to the middle class for a change be a good thing? Like I said making school lunches free to all would be the biggest break to middle class families in ND besides a massive property tax break. And I did preface my original statement by saying I’m not for social programs of any kind but you and I both know they aren’t going away so why not put some money back into the middle classes pockets in one form or another which is where most of the money came from in the first place.

 

[tikkalover]

Now the Minot city council is looking into helping pay for daycare. If you chose to have kids, you should pay for your own daycare.

$1.5 million to make 3 CP Railroad crossings a quite zone. These crossings already have cross arms, WTF do they need to spend the $1.5 million on at these crossings? When the arms come down cars will stop.

 

[snow2]

I am totally against feeding others kids with tax money collected. Having kids is a choice, just like owning a home is a choice.
Agree that no library, or sports complex should be at the tax payers burden either.

When covid shut shit down, out west here they still had free school lunch going on, where people drove to the schools and were handed however many lunches they asked for...a lot of Cadillac's, and Lincolns in that line getting their "free food". No pride in this generation, and it breeds on and on.

Agreed juanr,we keep feeding these ppl in 3rd world countries and they keep popping out children,business as usual,now these trash ppl are on our door step just like feeding stray animals they never leave...

 

[Freedom]

Matthew 25:40-45
King James Version

40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.

41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:

43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.

44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?

45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.​

 

[Skeeter]

Inasmuch fuck ye. I look out for thy

 

[Freedom]

There's a few preachy fucks that need to read the book. Carry on.

 

[Obi-Wan]

I am totally against feeding others kids with tax money collected. Having kids is a choice, just like owning a home is a choice.
Agree that no library, or sports complex should be at the tax payers burden either.

When covid shut shit down, out west here they still had free school lunch going on, where people drove to the schools and were handed however many lunches they asked for...a lot of Cadillac's, and Lincolns in that line getting their "free food". No pride in this generation, and it breeds on and on.

how do you think they could afford the Cadillac's and Lincolns

 

[Fester]

Now the Minot city council is looking into helping pay for daycare. If you chose to have kids, you should pay for your own daycare.

$1.5 million to make 3 CP Railroad crossings a quite zone. These crossings already have cross arms, WTF do they need to spend the $1.5 million on at these crossings? When the arms come down cars will stop.

$1.5 mil just so you don't hear the horn.... what a deal.

 

[johnr]

There's a few preachy fucks that need to read the book. Carry on.

I suggest you re-read it, as a preachy fuck here you are completely wrong. Jesus, and the good book was not anything about socialism, and a free lunch. The truly downtrodden that need, rarely get, as the others have stolen the gift.

Feed your own damn kids, as my parents before me did, as their parents before them did, as so on.

 

[Wirehair]

Thread makes for an interesting read. I voted against the property tax referendum last time as I felt the structure / wording needed some refinement and hoping (not expecting) that our conservative republican legislature (if you don't believe me - just ask them) would provide meaningful property tax relief. Did not happen. While it didn't, they approved about every appropriation bill that came their way. In 2021 even approved $150 million for a natural gas pipeline that would carry natural gas to the proposed Chinese milling plant in GF. Legislator Ray Holmberg (Yup That Guy!) stated that this would be a "Legacy project that would serve the state for generations to come" (the Chinese wet mill). He went on to suggest that if that was not enough there would be more $$ available. Problem was no one applied for the grant. Just one of many examples where our legislature has absolutely no problem spending / wasting millions of YOUR tax dollars each session and doesn't seem to take property tax seriously. I believe that the two most regressive taxes that are levied are sales tax and property tax in that order. So what the hell did our legislatures do this last season but pass state income tax reduction that primarily benefits the wealthy. I have signed the property tax petition and will be voting in favor this fall. Only regret is that I wish it were to abolish sales tax which by far is the most regressive tax. Currently running about 8% (state,county, city, etc) in Bismarck and both Burleigh County and Bismarck are in the process of proposing increases. I believe that if the voters take action it will result in better decisions being made both at state and local levels. Just my $0.02.

 

[Freedom]

I suggest you re-read it, as a preachy fuck here you are completely wrong. Jesus, and the good book was not anything about socialism, and a free lunch. The truly downtrodden that need, rarely get, as the others have stolen the gift.

Feed your own damn kids, as my parents before me did, as their parents before them did, as so on.

I'm sure "but that's socialism" will be considered a great excuse at the gates of heaven

 

[Fester]

Thread makes for an interesting read. I voted against the property tax referendum last time as I felt the structure / wording needed some refinement and hoping (not expecting) that our conservative republican legislature (if you don't believe me - just ask them) would provide meaningful property tax relief. Did not happen. While it didn't, they approved about every appropriation bill that came their way. In 2021 even approved $150 million for a natural gas pipeline that would carry natural gas to the proposed Chinese milling plant in GF. Legislator Ray Holmberg (Yup That Guy!) stated that this would be a "Legacy project that would serve the state for generations to come" (the Chinese wet mill). He went on to suggest that if that was not enough there would be more $$ available. Problem was no one applied for the grant. Just one of many examples where our legislature has absolutely no problem spending / wasting millions of YOUR tax dollars each session and doesn't seem to take property tax seriously. I believe that the two most regressive taxes that are levied are sales tax and property tax in that order. So what the hell did our legislatures do this last season but pass state income tax reduction that primarily benefits the wealthy. I have signed the property tax petition and will be voting in favor this fall. Only regret is that I wish it were to abolish sales tax which by far is the most regressive tax. Currently running about 8% (state,county, city, etc) in Bismarck and both Burleigh County and Bismarck are in the process of proposing increases. I believe that if the voters take action it will result in better decisions being made both at state and local levels. Just my $0.02.

Agree 100% with you. Sales tax also need to be addressed. They are currently trying to increase it as you stated and I stated earlier. It's unbelievable how giddy the burliegh county commissioners were when they proposed the increase. The advertisement they came up with sure does alot of trying to convince people getting bent over is a good thing. The best thing ALL residents can do is start voting 100% against any and all increases and maybe the legislators and commissioners will get the hint the ND citizens are done with the open wallet policy they currently have going.

 

[Fester]

This is burliegh county..just want people to understand the county think you got a deal..mills were supposed to be higher..pay up sucker.

The county's general fund -- its main operating budget -- is $34.88 million. The county will receive $29.51 million from property taxes, which is an increase of $6.74 million from last year. Homes in Bismarck city limits will see an increase of 6.91 mills and homes outside of city limits will see an increase of 6.97 mills, according to Schulz. Mills are used to calculate property tax.

The county slimmed down the amount that residents were initially expected to pay when the preliminary budget passed in July. Residents inside Bismarck city limits would have seen a 9.58 mill increase and residents outside city limits would have seen a 9.65 mill increase.

 

[Skeeter]

I'm sure "but that's socialism" will be considered a great excuse at the gates of heaven

For someone who calls people on here “preachy fucks”, you sure are preaching. Does quoting bible verses make you better than me? I thought the Bible states you are not to judge people. God will judge everyone when the time comes, not you. Every year in November I pick one of my local schools and I go and pay off all of the delinquent meal accounts so those families can have somewhat of a Christmas. Do you do that? Or are scared to put your money where your mouth is. Maybe post less bible quotes and take some action.

 

[guywhofishes]

Freedom’s online behavior is rather interesting.

Ever notice how often he laughs at almost every single one of certain people’s posts? Mockery appears to be one of his favorite methods of communicating.

Rather than share his Christian wisdom/insights with those who would benefit, he chooses ridicule and shaming.

Sad really, for one so blessed by the Lord with such keen insights into His will for the flock.