Updated SB 2315 Online

[eyexer]

Do not be fooled into thinking the Bow Hunters Assoc. cares what is best for all sportsmen. They will be looking at this strictly with their best interests in mind. I suspect most bow hunters hunt public land or land they own or already have access to and this bill won't matter shit to 90% of them. In fact it will help them in a few ways. Those that don't have access will quit bow hunting. That will increase their chances to shoot a big buck. When those guys quit it will also remove them from the public land which they probably hunted sparingly.

 

[db-2]

My flip flop with the crack screen from about 15 years ago and no intention of spending one hundred dollars to upgrade to a smart one whatever that is:

I ask, can it do all of this for me? I been told it can text and take a picture but not sure of that either.


However, really, now I no longer hunt all over but have found deer come to me instead of me chasing them in my PU like pre1995 (yea I do miss some of that fun but the PU does last longer) so a couple of spots work just fine for me and my bow as I no longer hunt whitetail with a gun.
I would vote no even thought it makes no difference to me. db

 

[PrairieGhost]

"there is no reason I should ever have to post my private property in order to keep people off of it."

I hear that too. I often tell them I understand, but how do you feel about the guy that says I would have to pay a lot less April 15 if I didn't have to help people who can't run a business. At one time we supported each other. Now it's becoming one sided. That's my beef. I appreciate access to public land. I don't mind if they post for whatever reason. I just don't like being blamed (as a hunter) for someone cutting cookies in the unharvested wheat in July. That's not hunters, it's more than likely a highschool kid who had a swallow of beer.

 

[Kurtr]

Interesting seeing what the rest of the country thinks of this in rokslide

 

[Whisky]

Interesting seeing what the rest of the country thinks of this in rokslide

Most of them can't imagine the idea of private land being open to the public. It's foreign to them... We have had it good here in ND. Can't be too many states left that are like us? Many (including my self) have taken that for granted. To the point we feel entitled. That is why we are where we are now.

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I hear that too. I often tell them I understand, but how do you feel about the guy that says I would have to pay a lot less April 15 if I didn't have to help people who can't run a business. At one time we supported each other. Now it's becoming one sided. That's my beef. I appreciate access to public land. I don't mind if they post for whatever reason. I just don't like being blamed (as a hunter) for someone cutting cookies in the unharvested wheat in July. That's not hunters, it's more than likely a highschool kid who had a swallow of beer.

We all know your beef. You say it every time you type. In one breath you "don't mind if they post for whatever reason". In the next you apparently tell landowners they can't run a business because you have to pay taxes.

 

[Migrator Man]

My flip flop with the crack screen from about 15 years ago and no intention of spending one hundred dollars to upgrade to a smart one whatever that is:

I ask, can it do all of this for me? I been told it can text and take a picture but not sure of that either.


However, really, now I no longer hunt all over but have found deer come to me instead of me chasing them in my PU like pre1995 (yea I do miss some of that fun but the PU does last longer) so a couple of spots work just fine for me and my bow as I no longer hunt whitetail with a gun.
I would vote no even thought it makes no difference to me. db

I really can’t tell you how your flip phone will be able to access this app because even our legislators can’t tell us. I don’t know what carrier you have but upgrading to a smart phone on Verizon is way more than $100. This doesn’t include the data plans them at you have to pay for every month too.

I still do not know how my grandpa is going to be able to access this database without a smart phone or computer. He probably hunts 60 days a year many times by himself. I would like my legislators to explain to me how this law is not going to affect my grandpa.

 

[Dirty]

Most of them can't imagine the idea of private land being open to the public. It's foreign to them... We have had it good here in ND. Can't be too many states left that are like us? Many (including my self) have taken that for granted. To the point we feel entitled. That is why we are where we are now.

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This is sad but true.

While I don't like this bill or this app or this change as a hunter OR a landowner, I see a lot of the entitlement attitude that got us to this point on all the threads I've followed here.

 

[fireone]

Didn't BLM drop the rent of the grasslands from $1.80 to $1.40 last year? About a 20% cut in grazing fees. Entitlements might work both ways. We had a system of land access that worked ok for 90 years, built on compromise. Not everybody was happy on either side but it worked. I can't feature how this proposal can function. A good states attorney could maybe answer some questions on it. And an IT expert too.

For what its i worth I know Maine and New Hampshire have the same trespass law we do. Post it or it is open. Idaho lost theirs in 2017 from Farm Bureau and 2 wealthy Texans.

 

[Migrator Man]

Most of them can't imagine the idea of private land being open to the public. It's foreign to them... We have had it good here in ND. Can't be too many states left that are like us? Many (including my self) have taken that for granted. To the point we feel entitled. That is why we are where we are now.

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This is sad but true.

While I don't like this bill or this app or this change as a hunter OR a landowner, I see a lot of the entitlement attitude that got us to this point on all the threads I've followed here.

I don’t see anyone on here that thinks they are entitled to hunt on everyone’s land. There is a reason why some land is left unposted. If the whole state went automatically posted these people would be the most affected. This app doesn’t affect them until the ultimate goal is accomplished by the FB and Stockmen’s.

 

[Davy Crockett]

What torques me the most is some of the bickering back and forth on social media that is driving the wedge deeper. This site isn't so bad but facebook is ruining it for a lot of innocent people. I have no problem with differing opinions but some of the things being said are downright stupid and offensive and the general public will once again pay the price for a few bad apples. I've noticed two landowner organizations just in the last two days that are going to swing the pendulum hard the other direction. Too many people live for today without regards to tomorrow and future generations.

 

[PrairieGhost]

We all know your beef. You say it every time you type. In one breath you "don't mind if they post for whatever reason". In the next you apparently tell landowners they can't run a business because you have to pay taxes.

Yes I have made a statement about posting and taxes many times. I'll have to do it a few more so you catch on. The idea is mutual respect. If a landowner hunts so posts to keep it for himself that makes perfect sense. If he doesn't want hunters in with his cows that makes perfect sense. If he posts because he is saving it for a friend in town that makes perfect sense. If he posts and calls the game and fish because deer are damaging his crops, but he will let no one hunt that isn't right. If he dislikes hunters, but sucks up $50k a year from gov money he is spitting in our face. When I was a kid hunters were happy to see farmers, and farmers were happy to see hunters. We genuinely liked each other. Today it's to much about money, and no appreciation for each other. Farm Bureau spits on our face on all things wildlife or conservation. So does the Stockmens association. Remember the beef check off? I used that and what do we get in return?

 

[Sluggo]

Maybe someone posted this already but here's all the Senators voted:
YEAS: Clemens; Davison; Dotzenrod; Elkin; Erbele; Heckaman; Hogan; Hogue; Kannianen;
Klein; Krebsbach; Kreun; Larsen, O.; Lee, G.; Lee, J.; Luick; Meyer; Myrdal; Oehlke;
Osland; Patten; Roers, J.; Rust; Schaible; Unruh; Vedaa; Wanzek; Wardner

NAYS: Anderson; Bakke; Bekkedahl; Burckhard; Cook; Dever; Fors; Grabinger; Holmberg;
Larson, D.; Marcellais; Mathern; Oban; Piepkorn; Poolman; Robinson; Roers, K.;
Sorvaag

 

[guywhofishes]

were the majority of the nay votes from larger cities? and vice versa?

 

[zoops]

Haven't had much free time since Monday to look at this but my concerns are:

1) What will the house's timetable be (when will this be discussed/voted on)?
2) How does this fiscal note work? I can't see a program covering the whole state costing only $250k over 2-3 years. But, I have no idea how fiscal notes work - is that just a starting point or a wild guess or is there actually some math behind it?
3) As I've mentioned before, I'd still rather see either green or red. I think most will mark red - how are you to know who will let you on and who doesn't even want you to ask? You might say well red means stay away but what a bad deal for sportsmen (I've come across very few landowners who are a "no,never, don't come back" for birds). I think few will go yellow - I liken it to: I don't mind a kid knocking on my door occasionally to buy stuff I don't need - if someone were to make a database of people who want to buy I'd probably go red so every girl scout in town doesn't come to my door.
4) I think plenty of guys will still put up signs.

 

[guywhofishes]

I am surprised that there won't be more categories/colors. Like "kill every turkey you see" or "kill every coyote you see".

 

[Whisky]

Yes I have made a statement about posting and taxes many times. I'll have to do it a few more so you catch on. The idea is mutual respect. If a landowner hunts so posts to keep it for himself that makes perfect sense. If he doesn't want hunters in with his cows that makes perfect sense. If he posts because he is saving it for a friend in town that makes perfect sense. If he posts and calls the game and fish because deer are damaging his crops, but he will let no one hunt that isn't right. If he dislikes hunters, but sucks up $50k a year from gov money he is spitting in our face. When I was a kid hunters were happy to see farmers, and farmers were happy to see hunters. We genuinely liked each other. Today it's to much about money, and no appreciation for each other. Farm Bureau spits on our face on all things wildlife or conservation. So does the Stockmens association. Remember the beef check off? I used that and what do we get in return?

You preaching mutual respect is laughable. If we took a poll on NDA "who hates and disrespects farmers/ranchers" the most. Guess who's name would be on the top. Can you not see the irony in your posts? Or do I need to say it a few more times so you can catch on?

I do agree with you on one thing, today it's mostly about money. Unfortunately that's the way it is now. It's not right. You can continue reminiscing about the good old days on the internet though, while I spend my time building relationships, showing respect, and actually hunting. Regardless what the trespass laws are!

 

[Reprobait]

What torques me the most is some of the bickering back and forth on social media that is driving the wedge deeper. This site isn't so bad but facebook is ruining it for a lot of innocent people. I have no problem with differing opinions but some of the things being said are downright stupid and offensive and the general public will once again pay the price for a few bad apples. I've noticed two landowner organizations just in the last two days that are going to swing the pendulum hard the other direction. Too many people live for today without regards to tomorrow and future generations.

We need to really watch what we say and how we say it. Think how this will sound before hitting enter. It should not be some kind of game where points are trying to be scored against the "other" side. We are hurting ourselves with some of the stuff that is out there.

 

[pointer]

Don't know if this has been brought up before or not, too much turn over in this thread, but the the very people that are for this bill might not realize that in a way they might be cutting their own throats, a lot of small town rely on the hunting revenue, for instance I know for a fact that a lot of small town restaurants, and bars rely on the hunters to make a living, they buy homes there, and visit several times a year, not to mention during season, then these places close down, Now do you want to drive 50 miles to have breakfast? Or go for a quick drink, how about gas. Small towns are hanging by a thread the way it is, this may be the nudge they need to fold. I can name 3 right off hand

 

[Migrator Man]

Most of them can't imagine the idea of private land being open to the public. It's foreign to them... We have had it good here in ND. Can't be too many states left that are like us? Many (including my self) have taken that for granted. To the point we feel entitled. That is why we are where we are now.

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This is sad but true.

While I don't like this bill or this app or this change as a hunter OR a landowner, I see a lot of the entitlement attitude that got us to this point on all the threads I've followed here.

Don't know if this has been brought up before or not, too much turn over in this thread, but the the very people that are for this bill might not realize that in a way they might be cutting their own throats, a lot of small town rely on the hunting revenue, for instance I know for a fact that a lot of small town restaurants, and bars rely on the hunters to make a living, they buy homes there, and visit several times a year, not to mention during season, then these places close down, Now do you want to drive 50 miles to have breakfast? Or go for a quick drink, how about gas. Small towns are hanging by a thread the way it is, this may be the nudge they need to fold. I can name 3 right off hand

I don’t think the database will spell the end of small communities as much as a no trespass bill would. Non resident hunters will be able to use the app and will still come to ND, but once more and more land gets posted we will see this tourism dollars shrink drastically. Small communities will hang on if the database bill is all that passes. A no trespassing would be the biggest mistake for all of the taxpayers in ND.

 

[eyexer]

What torques me the most is some of the bickering back and forth on social media that is driving the wedge deeper. This site isn't so bad but facebook is ruining it for a lot of innocent people. I have no problem with differing opinions but some of the things being said are downright stupid and offensive and the general public will once again pay the price for a few bad apples. I've noticed two landowner organizations just in the last two days that are going to swing the pendulum hard the other direction. Too many people live for today without regards to tomorrow and future generations.

and this is exactly what I said was going to happen. You think it's bad now, just wait till something like this is passed. It's get uglier than you ever anticipated.

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Don't know if this has been brought up before or not, too much turn over in this thread, but the the very people that are for this bill might not realize that in a way they might be cutting their own throats, a lot of small town rely on the hunting revenue, for instance I know for a fact that a lot of small town restaurants, and bars rely on the hunters to make a living, they buy homes there, and visit several times a year, not to mention during season, then these places close down, Now do you want to drive 50 miles to have breakfast? Or go for a quick drink, how about gas. Small towns are hanging by a thread the way it is, this may be the nudge they need to fold. I can name 3 right off hand

my guess is these small town business owners don't even know this legislation is pending