Legalize or not ?

[Lycanthrope]

https://www.valleynewslive.com/2022...submitted-legalization-cannabis-north-dakota/

[FONT=&quot]FARGO, N.D. (Valley News Live) - ‘New Approach North Dakota’ submitted 25,762 signatures to the North Dakota Secretary of State in an aim to put the initiative on the general election ballot this year.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]New Approach North Dakota, the organization leading the effort, began collecting signatures in late April after the committee’s petition was approved for circulation.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]15,582 signatures were required by July 11th to qualify for the November 2022 ballot. They say they gathered over 25,000 signatures from North Dakotans across the state in less than 12 weeks.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]The Secretary of State has 35 days, August 15th 2022, to decide if there’s a sufficient amount of valid signatures for the measure to be placed on the ballot later this year.[/FONT]

 

[Rowdie]

I signed!!!

 

[johnr]

I wife's uncle is an old burn out, his dishwasher broke 4 years ago, they do dishes by hand now 4 years running.
It sums it all up in one life story right there boys.

 

[IFishND]

No hope with dope. You want your kids getting into it in the future? When will the petitions begin to legalize fentanyl? Ban it all.

 

[Kurtr]

No hope with dope. You want your kids getting into it in the future? When will the petitions begin to legalize fentanyl? Ban it all.

you mean like it is now?

 

[Dirty]

Your kids are likely going to try it anyway, and at a similar rate as kids did when it was illegal. However, they won’t run the risk of legal consequences for it like was the case in the past, and they will have a chance to mature and decide it’s time to move on.

You think making it legal is going to sway everyone to get stoned all the time? Or is it the old “gateway drug” theory? This world has many, many problems right now dooming our children. Marijuana is not even on the radar.

I know many, many, MANY people including myself who did it in their younger years (and some still occasionally do) and bust their asses making a living for themselves and their families and providing for society in a way that many other folks don’t. I could rattle off a pretty extensive list of physicians, dentists, teachers, coaches, soldiers, and city workers who were pot smokers and have outdone some pretty straight laced folks that I also grew up with.

Marijuana is not fentanyl, but by legalizing it you can help to ensure the marijuana your child tries is not laced with fentanyl.

I won’t win any popularity contests with this statement, but like many hot topics these days, it’s easy to tell who does and does not know what they are talking about and who is running on common sense and/or experience vs. pure emotion.

 

[Kurtr]

Your kids are likely going to try it anyway, and by the same percentages as kids did when it was illegal. However, when they won’t run the risk of legal consequences for it like was the case in the past.

I know many, many, MANY people including myself who did it in their younger years (or still occasionally do) and bust their asses making a living for themselves and their families and providing for society in a way that many other folks don’t.

Marijuana is not fentanyl.

I won’t win any popularity contests with this statement, but like many hot topics these days, it’s easy to tell who does and does not know what they are talking about and who is running on common sense and/or experience vs. pure emotion.

Here is a hot take to add. Booze has fucked up more lives than weed ever has from my life experience. Over indulging in anything is no good

 

[Dirty]

Here is a hot take to add. Booze has fucked up more lives than weed ever has from my life experience. Over indulging in anything is no good

Especially Soda and Food.

But yeah, if you want to eliminate the substance that causes the most problems for society - especially for those who don’t even use it - alcohol is far more dangerous than even fentanyl.

 

[johnr]

Why dont you guys just leave booze out of this... :;:cheers

 

[Rowdie]

No hope with dope. You want your kids getting into it in the future? When will the petitions begin to legalize fentanyl? Ban it all.

I'm for FREEDOM!!!

 

[riverview]

By looking at the size of most people these days I'd say high fructose corn syrup is killing the most

 

[Rowdie]

By looking at the size of most people these days I'd say high fructose corn syrup is killing the most

YUUUPP!!!

BAN SUGAR! Alcohol, caffeine, nicotine too! Let the Gov't decide for you!! Sheeple!!

 

[Kurtr]

YUUUPP!!!

BAN SUGAR! Alcohol, caffeine, nicotine too! Let the Gov't decide for you!! Sheeple!!

they ban nicotine I’m going war:;:duel

 

[NG3067]

I don’t know many daily users of weed that are very ambitious, lots of great ideas, no ambition to act on them.

 

[wjschmaltz]

I can't imagine any time after the age of 14 where I was more than a simple phone call away from having MJ in my hand within an hour. That's likely the case for pretty much anyone. Even if you didn't hang out with that crowd, everyone knew someone that did. We drank like fish in high school and college. I started chewing regularly at around 14. Never had a problem getting booze or chew. I'm not saying to remove age limits on stuff, just saying that it's pretty easy to get "illegal" substances as kids.

I tried it a few times in high school. Wasn't for me and the crowd was kinda all deadbeats. It was the same in college. My eyes were really opened when I moved to a place where it's always essentially been legal. We have pot shops all over the place and the people you see walking in and out of them are all kinds. Plenty of people in business suits and scrubs coming through the doors. Plenty of 40 year old dead beats too that still have the same amount of responsibilities as they did when they were a 15 year old pot head in their parent's basement. My wife is a physical therapist and says over half her patients use pot regularly and you'd never guess the ones that do. Most guys I know have it at the top of their backpack hunting list.

I never used MJ until recently. I'm 35. Went through some serious shit in March 2021 and had to see and experience some rough stuff. Did good staying away from booze because I knew how slippery that slope is. Refused any type of prescription meds that would just cause other problems. I take small amounts of pot periodically. Maybe once or twice a week. Hardly ever get "high". Just like 5 mg to take the edge of life off every so often. It has been great for me personally and I'm glad there was a non-addictive solution with essentially no side effects. Feel bad for folks in others states that don't have that option.

I could honestly argue from a million different angles both ways. I used to be pretty anti pot so I know all the arguments that way. At this point I'm pretty open minded and just trying not to be a hypocrite. When I look back at some of my arguments against pot while drinking 5 days a week, I'd say I was going down that hypocrite road.

 

[IFishND]

I don't care what people do on their own time. I just don't want my kids to mess with it. That's all.

 

[Kurtr]

I don't care what people do on their own time. I just don't want my kids to mess with it. That's all.

well you better lock them in the basement and throw away the key. There is million things I don’t want my kid to mess with but I can’t shelter him or keep him from it that’s where you hope parenting you did works and they make right decisions. Any one that’s honest knows they probably won’t I know I sure as hell didn’t but I learned grew up and the circle of life carries on.

 

[PrairieGhost]

Especially Soda and Food.

But yeah, if you want to eliminate the substance that causes the most problems for society - especially for those who don’t even use it - alcohol is far more dangerous than even fentanyl.

I think you and Kurtr need a statistics class. How many people drink, compared to how many use fentanyl. Booze is not nearly as dangerouse, but more people die using it because a hundred times as many use it. If you looked at 1000 alcohol users compared to 1000 fentanyl users over 50 years which group would have more untimely deaths?

 

[Dirty]

I think you and Kurtr need a statistics class. How many people drink, compared to how many use fentanyl. Booze is not nearly as dangerouse, but more people die using it because a hundred times as many use it. If you looked at 1000 alcohol users compared to 1000 fentanyl users over 50 years which group would have more untimely deaths?

...and you need a comprehension course.:;:duel

I said: "the substance that causes the most problems for society, especially for those who don't even use it".

I took statistics classes, but don't need them to know OVERALL which substance causes the most deaths directly related to consumption, deaths related to secondary diseases caused by consumption, deaths related to reckless behavior secondary to consumption, deaths related to traffic accidents secondary to consumption, and so on and so forth. Any way you slice it and dice it, booze will take the title over any other substance I know about. Then, since I wasn't specifically talking about fatalities, let's throw in financial burden, societal burden, medical burden, and burdens of all types that comes from job loss, illnesses and injuries, accidents, failed marriages, failed parenting, violence, etc. that all stem from alcohol use.

Don't get me wrong, I love ice cold beer and tall frosty drinks. I'm actually having one right now.
But alcohol is the substance abused the most by far by people whose lives subsequently go into a tail spin, and often they take others down with them in the process.

However, as far as fatalities, if you want statistics pertaining to the U.S. they are very easy to find because death records are kept.

 

[Kurtr]

I think you and Kurtr need a statistics class. How many people drink, compared to how many use fentanyl. Booze is not nearly as dangerouse, but more people die using it because a hundred times as many use it. If you looked at 1000 alcohol users compared to 1000 fentanyl users over 50 years which group would have more untimely deaths?

Dont know that I ever brought fentanyl up my self but booze still has it beat as history is on the spirits side. While fentanyl will kill you way faster no doubt booze has been the slow burn for over 3 centuries. It still goes to the point any thing in excess is bad.