Property Tax Credit

[Fester]

Is that why he never wins state wide elections? Sheesh!

He doesn’t win state wide elections because the GOP doesn’t put there support behind him. Why would they when they probably own the other ones?

 

[camper]

He doesn’t win state wide elections because the GOP doesn’t put there support behind him. Why would they when they probably own the other ones?

There’s been plenty of recent republicans who have won with out their party’s initial endorsement. Burgum and Fedorchak quickly come to mind. He’s a loose cannon.

 

[bravo]

I was on the fence but the way it's written this is in no way getting rid of property tax, its simply shifting taxes elsewhere. And nobody can articulate how this new pot of gold will be divided or distributed. Best they can come up with is "the legislature will have to figure it out". FUCK THAT and fuck that attitude that you should always vote for a tax decrease. Especially when the alternative makes less sense. I guess this is how North Dakota politics goes these days. Don't address the problem and amend the current law to mitigate the issue. No, lets put 85 year old retired farmers and part-time dish washers in a room and let them create an entirely new policy. How about no tax on primary dwelling ONLY. Increases on other property is dictated by square footage at actual assessed value (based on real sales) not to increase by more than 5% at a time and at an interval of every 3 years. If the city or county wants to fund a project and need a a greater increase, it must be voted on, preferably via sales tax. Legacy fund and fed dollars for emergency projects.

Remember the outrage over specials a few years ago? Get ready to see more the that BS. You can lose your home over them too. This also reeks of out of state corporate ag and oil looking to delete their share of the bill.

 

[Fester]

There’s been plenty of recent republicans who have won with out their party’s initial endorsement. Burgum and Fedorchak quickly come to mind. He’s a loose cannon.

Bergum didn't have the republican endorsement as Gov? Wow that news to me. Fuderchuck didn't get it because it should have went to Becker but the ND gop is corrupt so they gave to a guy that wasn't gonna win(so they didn't cause problems). Not sure why I am even having a conversation with you it goes no where...with that said I won't be responding again to you.

 

[Fester]

I was on the fence but the way it's written this is in no way getting rid of property tax, its simply shifting taxes elsewhere. And nobody can articulate how this new pot of gold will be divided or distributed. Best they can come up with is "the legislature will have to figure it out". FUCK THAT and fuck that attitude that you should always vote for a tax decrease. Especially when the alternative makes less sense. I guess this is how North Dakota politics goes these days. Don't address the problem and amend the current law to mitigate the issue. No, lets put 85 year old retired farmers and part-time dish washers in a room and let them create an entirely new policy. How about no tax on primary dwelling ONLY. Increases on other property is dictated by square footage at actual assessed value (based on real sales) not to increase by more than 5% at a time and at an interval of every 3 years. If the city or county wants to fund a project and need a a greater increase, it must be voted on, preferably via sales tax. Legacy fund and fed dollars for emergency projects.

Remember the outrage over specials a few years ago? Get ready to see more the that BS. You can lose your home over them too. This also reeks of out of state corporate ag and oil looking to delete their share of the bill.

Why are you ok with a few city commissioners making the decisions(bad decisions) vs way more eyes on the decisions? Debates about spending and gridlock can bring out the actual facts...vs a rubber stamp..

 

[Slappy]

Why are you ok with a few city commissioners making the decisions(bad decisions) vs way more eyes on the decisions? Debates about spending and gridlock can bring out the actual facts...vs a rubber stamp..

So you are opposed to more local control? It's better to have legislators from across the state deciding?

What does having "way more eyes" get us? All eyes have been on the Dockter, Seibel, Stenehjem scandal and that hasn't got us anywhere.

 

[bravo]

Why are you ok with a few city commissioners making the decisions(bad decisions) vs way more eyes on the decisions? Debates about spending and gridlock can bring out the actual facts...vs a rubber stamp..

I’m not. And am 100% for transparent spending. In fact that should be what’s demanded. How is mixing funding up between legislative districts going to improve decision making? The veil of “no taxes” is blocking your view. I like Rick Becker, I’ve watched his videos and followed him on this issue. He hasn’t laid out one detail on how this will actually be implemented if passed, rather he focuses on telling everyone who questions it that they’re a fool and everything will be fine. Everything will still be fully funded. Oh, so my money will still line the same pockets through other, less transparent means?! Not good enough.

Yeah, debate away and see what facts they come up with. They’re still going to spend your money with a rubber stamp. Only now it will probably be spent in a different county. And good luck to the small towns and small farmers once out of staters see tax free land.

 

[camper]

Bergum didn't have the republican endorsement as Gov? Wow that news to me. Fuderchuck didn't get it because it should have went to Becker but the ND gop is corrupt so they gave to a guy that wasn't gonna win(so they didn't cause problems). Not sure why I am even having a conversation with you it goes no where...with that said I won't be responding again to you.

You are like a fucking spoiled brat. Go ahead and take your ball home you pussy. You ever hear of Wayne Stenehgem? He had the Republican endorsement until the primary, where Bergum beat him. Your Becker/Fedorchak statement goes against your earlier statement. You are like every other maga, make up shit until you’re called on it and then you disappear. Hahaha

 

[woodduck30]

Damn MAGA's. They just piss liberals off. How dare they. By the way, who the hell is Stenehgem?????

 

[camper]

Damn MAGA's. They just piss liberals off. How dare they. By the way, who the hell is Stenehgem?????

When you have nothing, become the spelling police. Haha.

 

[deleted member]

So grandma and grandpa pay the same tax on their 100k home from 1970 as the 500k home down the block with same square footage? How will that keep them owning and in their home? Not opposed to the general idea. Needs tweaking cause a large % of folks living in less than modest houses do so cause they can't afford anything else. Sticking them with the same slice of the pie as someone in a much newer home is going to increase their taxes to even more unaffordable levels

 

[Fester]

I’m not. And am 100% for transparent spending. In fact that should be what’s demanded. How is mixing funding up between legislative districts going to improve decision making? The veil of “no taxes” is blocking your view. I like Rick Becker, I’ve watched his videos and followed him on this issue. He hasn’t laid out one detail on how this will actually be implemented if passed, rather he focuses on telling everyone who questions it that they’re a fool and everything will be fine. Everything will still be fully funded. Oh, so my money will still line the same pockets through other, less transparent means?! Not good enough.

Yeah, debate away and see what facts they come up with. They’re still going to spend your money with a rubber stamp. Only now it will probably be spent in a different county. And good luck to the small towns and small farmers once out of staters see tax free land.

I disagree, I think the guys that have it now and in my opinion aren't very smart but are elected because smart people have better shit to do rubber stamp anything they can be convinced of. I believe multiple legislatures looking at it can weed it out. Your gonna have some stuff make it through but again my opinion. Not nearly as much. Rural is not going to be ignored..they obviously don't need as much as a large town does but I don't forsee them getting hammered because fargo, bismarck, dickinson want this or that. It's going to be hard to say no to let's say Moffit if they request something that costs miniscule amount compared to some dumb ass athletic center bismarck wants. This is all of course hypothetical.

People are always scared of change..the sky is falling mentality. I say change it. See what happens and if it doesn't work we can change it again. What we have no DOES NOT WORK and they have been given plenty of opportunities to get it fixed.

 

[Fritz the Cat]

You are like a fucking spoiled brat. Go ahead and take your ball home you pussy. You ever hear of Wayne Stenehgem? He had the Republican endorsement until the primary, where Bergum beat him. Your Becker/Fedorchak statement goes against your earlier statement. You are like every other maga, make up shit until you’re called on it and then you disappear. Hahaha

The NDGOP Convention was in Fargo that year. I was a delegate wearing a Becker sticker. The vote between Rick Becker and Wayne Stenehjem was tied while Bergum came in a distant third.

They had a second vote. There was an intermission.

Sometimes during a convention delegates leave the floor and go shopping or something. There wasn't too many empty seats but there was a few. Stenehjem's ground game was better. Cell phone calls were made to supporters to get back to the floor. The good old boy party won but the voters weren't having it and they voted for Bergum.

Next, Becker got talked into running for Senate against Sen. John Hoeven as an Independent. He should have not done that and just waited for a better opportunity and when you run once as an Independant the NDGOP will not take you back. At this years convention many delegates spoiled their ballots voting for Becker refusing to vote for Julie Fedorchak or Balas. (Can't even remember his first name).

Proponents of Measure 4 asked Rick Becker to come on board and explain the Measure to people at functions. He should have declined.

The State takes in $10 billion in taxes and spends all $10 Billion. Counties and/or subdivisions collect $1.4 Billion in taxes. Would it be that hard for the legislature to cut $1.4 Billion in State spending and give the people some tax relief?

Before anyone says the politicians did it, remember, the people are the ones who ask their elected representatives to carry Bills expressing their spending needs and wants.

 

[gillraker]

If we vote No on this measure, they will assume we are happy with the current process.

Exactly!, so get ready to bend over some more...

 

[powerman]

The legislature has promised to take on property tax reform since 2012 and the few who have tried have been shot down by the lobbyists that are now publicly opposing this measure.

 

[Petras]

I was on the fence but the way it's written this is in no way getting rid of property tax, its simply shifting taxes elsewhere. And nobody can articulate how this new pot of gold will be divided or distributed. Best they can come up with is "the legislature will have to figure it out". FUCK THAT and fuck that attitude that you should always vote for a tax decrease. Especially when the alternative makes less sense. I guess this is how North Dakota politics goes these days. Don't address the problem and amend the current law to mitigate the issue. No, lets put 85 year old retired farmers and part-time dish washers in a room and let them create an entirely new policy. How about no tax on primary dwelling ONLY. Increases on other property is dictated by square footage at actual assessed value (based on real sales) not to increase by more than 5% at a time and at an interval of every 3 years. If the city or county wants to fund a project and need a a greater increase, it must be voted on, preferably via sales tax. Legacy fund and fed dollars for emergency projects.

Remember the outrage over specials a few years ago? Get ready to see more the that BS. You can lose your home over them too. This also reeks of out of state corporate ag and oil looking to delete their share of the bill.

see my post... #959.... the state will be required to give each political subdivision funding to the tune of whatever was taken in during 2024.... it's right there in the bill.... anything above and beyond funding at those levels, each political subdivision will be required to figure out how to generate the revenues....

POLITICAL SUBDIVISIONS are local governments created by the states to help fulfill their obligations. IE... cities, townships counties etc...

 

[Wirehair]

Going to do my part in assisting our legislators. Generally speaking and IMO, our legislators are only fiscally responsible around election time or with their own money. For the most part I find them to be of little spine and / or willing to do the heavy lifting required to addressing property tax reform. Many are in the pockets of special interest and corporate welfare schemes. Many legislators appear to be confused and believe throwing $$ at a problem is the same as fixing the problem.. It is NOT! While measure #4 is far from perfect, passing the measure will force our legislators to make difficult but necessary changes and address all of the entities that are not currently assessed property valuation on par with home owners. It will also require a higher level of scrutiny of insane and wasteful spending that you only increased over the past years. The upside for our legislators is that they can blame someone else (citizens) for making what may be difficult but necessary changes to our current property tax assessments. While most of us cannot compete with the lobbyists and special interests efforts to defeat measure #4, we can vote. I am voting yes.

 

[Fester]

see my post... #959.... the state will be required to give each political subdivision funding to the tune of whatever was taken in during 2024.... it's right there in the bill.... anything above and beyond funding at those levels, each political subdivision will be required to figure out how to generate the revenues....

POLITICAL SUBDIVISIONS are local governments created by the states to help fulfill their obligations. IE... cities, townships counties etc...

I have given up trying to give people the info, where it can be found etc…these people on the fence or against will be against it even if they are provided with all the information. There will be some other ave they go to try and make an excuse to not vote for this. They are the people that are scared of change and to try and change that is impossible…….

 

[bravo]

see my post... #959.... the state will be required to give each political subdivision funding to the tune of whatever was taken in during 2024.... it's right there in the bill.... anything above and beyond funding at those levels, each political subdivision will be required to figure out how to generate the revenues....

POLITICAL SUBDIVISIONS are local governments created by the states to help fulfill their obligations. IE... cities, townships counties etc...

So the subdivision will get the same amount as 2024 indefinitely… With no stipulations on how it’s spent which is the actual issue we can all agree on. Then the subdivision can implement specials to make up shortcomings.

This solves nothing other than giving the people the feeling of sticking it to the government. Go ahead and call me scared of change if it makes you feel better. This is a poorly written attempt to solve the real problem. Everyone always says follow the money. It would be interesting to see who stands to save the most in this bill and and see where they stand.

 

[Petras]

So the subdivision will get the same amount as 2024 indefinitely… With no stipulations on how it’s spent which is the actual issue we can all agree on. Then the subdivision can implement specials to make up shortcomings.

This solves nothing other than giving the people the feeling of sticking it to the government. Go ahead and call me scared of change if it makes you feel better. This is a poorly written attempt to solve the real problem. Everyone always says follow the money. It would be interesting to see who stands to save the most in this bill and and see where they stand.

I'm not calling you scared, or anything else for that matter.... I'm just trying to get the message out that the sky in fact is not falling. The money that your local political subdivision took in from property taxes is to be replaced by money from the state.... How your local government spends those funds is none of my business because I probably don't live where you do, and is a problem for the voters of your city/town/county/township etc... don't like the way they spend money, vote them out...

I think the majority of people on here recognize the need for SOME taxes.... I do. For me this has nothing to do with "sticking it to the government and everything to do with the fact that I never truely own my home/property. Even when I do manage to get it all paid off, if I fall on hard times, the way it sits now, the county can and will take it from me.... I'm perfectly fine with helping pay to maintain roads, keep the school open, etc... If this passes, I will gladly cut a check every year equivelent to what I currently pay in property taxes to help with all that as long as it is necessary.... Necessary being the key word here....