Updated SB 2315 Online

[fireone]

I don’t think the database will spell the end of small communities as much as a no trespass bill would. Non resident hunters will be able to use the app and will still come to ND, but once more and more land gets posted we will see this tourism dollars shrink drastically. Small communities will hang on if the database bill is all that passes. A no trespassing would be the biggest mistake for all of the taxpayers in ND.

The database will just be a slower death for hunting than no trespass but the result will be the same in the end. I have 9 quarters that I don't post. But I will if the pressure increases. So will other landowners. Kids and people from town need a place to hunt or hunting dies. The open land always gets more pressure now and you have to scout to find it. What does anybody think will happen when the whole hunting world can see which land is open by their smartphone? The database is a gimmick to suck people in for no trespass by default.

 

[Migrator Man]

I don’t think the database will spell the end of small communities as much as a no trespass bill would. Non resident hunters will be able to use the app and will still come to ND, but once more and more land gets posted we will see this tourism dollars shrink drastically. Small communities will hang on if the database bill is all that passes. A no trespassing would be the biggest mistake for all of the taxpayers in ND.

The database will just be a slower death for hunting than no trespass but the result will be the same in the end. I have 9 quarters that I don't post. But I will if the pressure increases. So will other landowners. Kids and people from town need a place to hunt or hunting dies. The open land always gets more pressure now and you have to scout to find it. What does anybody think will happen when the whole hunting world can see which land is open by their smartphone? The database is a gimmick to suck people in for no trespass by default.

I don’t really disagree but more and more land is posted every year with or without the database. I think the state will regret allowing the hunting traditions to be changed forever if something isn’t done. I don’t think the solution is a database or a no trespass law, but what can really stop more land from being posted?

 

[fireone]

IDK. There are fewer hunters and farmers now than there were 50 years ago. Yet there seems to be way more conflict that you hear about, whether or not that is true or just the internet talking. NDGF had 50 trespass violations last year with 140,000 sportsmen. Which is nothing. If 2315 went into an interim study that was unbiased, really looking for solutions, maybe something good could emerge. The Governor could have asked for that but didn't. 2315 won't solve much because the older landowners are still going to paper post and physical posting supersedes the database. There will be a lot of land marked open in the database that is paper posted.

Every rule change on posting has decreased access over the years. Every single one.

As landowners we get a bennie others don't in the gratis. And every session there are bills to increase gratis benefits, 2 or more this session alone. Sportsmans groups never put in their own legislation proposals, they just react to bad bad bills. Then they lose again.

 

[eyexer]

IDK. There are fewer hunters and farmers now than there were 50 years ago. Yet there seems to be way more conflict that you hear about, whether or not that is true or just the internet talking. NDGF had 50 trespass violations last year with 140,000 sportsmen. Which is nothing. If 2315 went into an interim study that was unbiased, really looking for solutions, maybe something good could emerge. The Governor could have asked for that but didn't. 2315 won't solve much because the older landowners are still going to paper post and physical posting supersedes the database. There will be a lot of land marked open in the database that is paper posted.

Every rule change on posting has decreased access over the years. Every single one.

As landowners we get a bennie others don't in the gratis. And every session there are bills to increase gratis benefits, 2 or more this session alone. Sportsmans groups never put in their own legislation proposals, they just react to bad bad bills. Then they lose again.

Sportsmen will be putting in a bill. But it will bypass the legislature and go straight to the citizens of ND.

 

[Brian Renville]

I don’t really disagree but more and more land is posted every year with or without the database. I think the state will regret allowing the hunting traditions to be changed forever if something isn’t done. I don’t think the solution is a database or a no trespass law, but what can really stop more land from being posted?

Hate to say it but I don't think there is any other option but to give landowners what they want here. If someone is using their land they want to get paid for it. Most won't admit it but this is what it's coming down to. Hard to blame a guy who wants compensation for someone using his stuff, it just spits in the eye of tradition and that dosen't sit well with most folks on the other side of it. That being said there isn't much tradition around antler fever either. I just think this bill was a passive-aggressive move towards that ultimate conclusion. Seems like passive-aggressive is about the only way anyone does anything anymore, everyone is scared to be the bad guy. After that everyone can argue about where that ton of cash is going. At any rate if state paid access is the end of this some other traditions like gratis should go to. After all everyone will be running a business on their land.

 

[Migrator Man]

Hate to say it but I don't think there is any other option but to give landowners what they want here. If someone is using their land they want to get paid for it. Most won't admit it but this is what it's coming down to. Hard to blame a guy who wants compensation for someone using his stuff, it just spits in the eye of tradition and that dosen't sit well with most folks on the other side of it. That being said there isn't much tradition around antler fever either. I just think this bill was a passive-aggressive move towards that ultimate conclusion. Seems like passive-aggressive is about the only way anyone does anything anymore, everyone is scared to be the bad guy. After that everyone can argue about where that ton of cash is going. At any rate if state paid access is the end of this some other traditions like gratis should go to. After all everyone will be running a business on their land.

As eyexer said an initiated measure is an option to put an end to this, but it would face an onslaught of opposition.

 

[Brian Renville]

As eyexer said an initiated measure is an option to put an end to this, but it would face an onslaught of opposition.

Absolutely, there are a ton of entitlements voters can play with here. The fear mongering will be epic in opposition.

 

[Reprobait]

I don't think going the route of an initiated measure on this is a good idea.

 

[Walleye_Chaser]

"There will be a lot of land marked open in the database that is paper posted."


I see this as a big problem. People driving all over the place to "green land" just to find it's actually Posted. What a cluster fuck.

 

[guywhofishes]

"There will be a lot of land marked open in the database that is paper posted."


I see this as a big problem. People driving all over the place to "green land" just to find it's actually Posted. What a cluster fuck.

hey, it’s called compromise

ha ha

 

[NDbowman]

"There will be a lot of land marked open in the database that is paper posted."


I see this as a big problem. People driving all over the place to "green land" just to find it's actually Posted. What a cluster fuck.

I agree it'll be a cluster fuck. I can see it also as an excuse to ignore posted signs. They'll just say well it was open on the internet and I didn't see the sign on the gate or the other 4 on the corner posts.

I'd so much rather it would just stay as it is. No problem with the current laws. Maybe just need stiffer punishment for offenders.

 

[Reprobait]

"There will be a lot of land marked open in the database that is paper posted."


I see this as a big problem. People driving all over the place to "green land" just to find it's actually Posted. What a cluster fuck.

I think people will figure that out pretty quick.

 

[eyexer]

There will be so much confusion and bullshit that people will just say screw it and hunt wherever they want and just claim stupidity. Just like now. And they will not be prosecuted. Far too many loopholes. And there will be people doing it just out of spite. These legislators better be careful what they're wishing for.

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Oh and another thing nobody has mentioned. What about my buddy that is color blind. He might have a hell of a time with a colored app. Guessing he will just hunt anywhere he wants and just claim discrimination towards color blindness

 

[8andcounting]

So how will I , as landowner get my land mark as red ( no go ) on the database ?

 

[Downrigger]

I hope it is easy to make changes by the land owner. It wont be but a guy can wish. I'd lock my land down duringpheasant through deer then open it right back up to coyote hunters. But, if it is a poor process i'd be more inclined to just lock it down and leave it and let the few locals i know have at it.

 

[Obi-Wan]

So how will I , as landowner get my land mark as red ( no go ) on the database ?

Log on to the data base web site and designate it as such, don't forget to post your information along with phone number so everyone can call and ask for permission

 

[fireone]

So how will I , as landowner get my land mark as red ( no go ) on the database ?

That question certainly isn't answered in the bill language. Because it is a poorly written bill. You'd think that each landowner in the state, 10,000 s of thousands of people, would need a code or password to login into the database to post-unpost their land. But the PLOTS guide book is only printed once a year. So a landowner could change it on the app but not in the PLOTS guide. And of course paper posted still reigns over the app and the PLOTS guide book so there are 3 conflicting possibilities. Then add in the renter farming the land.

 

[Trip McNeely]

I cant tell you how many times ive come across posted ground only to call for permission and the (absentee) landowner says “oh.... i didnt think or know that quarter was posted”. So if alot of these absentees arent posting their ground who is? Hmmmm

 

[eyexer]

only the land "owner" should be allowed to deal with the database in regards to posting etc. I wonder how many years it will take before the ranchers start begging for coyote reductions.

 

[Obi-Wan]

I cant tell you how many times ive come across posted ground only to call for permission and the (absentee) landowner says “oh.... i didnt think or know that quarter was posted”. So if alot of these absentees arent posting their ground who is? Hmmmm

That never happens we all know that ranchers/farmers are for property rights and are only interested in who is on their land not the neighbors